In this episode Andrew Brozyna and Ian Shimkoviak discuss the ups and downs of self-publishig and how it relates to their book design practice and the publishing industry as a whole. Andrew has a freak out session at the end when he discovers he’s not recording. Obviously he is, or we would to have a recording of it, but nonetheless it’s a bona fide “oh crap” moment for a novice podcaster. Few more episodes and we’ll be ready for our first surprise guest on the show. Hope you dig these first attempts at sounding like we know what we are doing.